Pushkraj Shirke gets into a candid talk with Mike Murrell – a black belt in Judo and BJJ, and coach to India’s top Grappler and BJJ Champion. They discuss how Mike overcame obesity and being bullied with martial arts, his fumbles with early years in martial arts as a self defence tool, the difference between martial arts for sport vs self defence and all things jiu jitsu – especially leg locks, on the street. Towards the trail end, the discussion veers towards the inclusivity of sport, the importance of building a legacy and giving back to society, and life as a full time sports person.